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Mary
11-15-2016, 03:58 PM
Some peeps may have noticed that there was an election a few days ago, last Tuesday, Nov. 8th …
:randommil :talk :bigeyes


The basic fact of life today is that regardless of anyone’s political position, our national culture exploded into divisions that are now part of life in this country. That was reflected in the often heated election discussion here on Blab, among a membership that (proudly) has broadly diverse political views.

Here on Blab, we survived the first post-election week in good shape, compared with many another online discussion site (a record week for Facebook unfriending? :eek ).

But now, as events move forward, imagine the kinds of feelings that are coming in the weeks and months ahead, each time the President-Elect proposes a new appointment or policy. And then, after he takes office, how people of various points of view will be reacting to everything that will be happening, from policy to government shake-ups to other current events. Imagine, just for a moment, what’s ahead for opinion discussion … we are living in those “interesting times”. :uh


How will these feelings and reactions affect Blab?
A primary purpose Blab, as a hobby and collector website, serves for its devoted members is as a welcome diversion to the stresses of daily life. To let their enjoyment of their collection and their hobby take them briefly away from the less-pleasant non-model life stuff, whatever it is – job, discouraging news and social media, difficult life issues, all that stuff.

As a hobby/collector site, that is the real purpose Blab serves for its members – diversion and enjoyment. That’s what Blab puts its resources toward providing for its members.


Blab has always included off-topic discussion.
Through the years we’ve been through the fevered hot-button topics of politics, religion, pit bulls, horse color and a lot of other keenly divisive issues. ;) :) At times, off-topic opinion has been a major part of the forum posting. Just from a personal perspective it has been powerfully interesting and instructive to hear a range of viewpoints and find out more about what it’s like to walk in other shoes. Such interaction can bring us closer as a community.


But …
As of last Tuesday’s election, Blab is finding that we cannot provide the high level of moderating needed now to maintain civility in political threads, in this new and far more contentious world of opinion.

It is deeply awkward and even unfair to ask mods who are part of the hobby community to moderate other hobbyists' political expressions. Especially when the mods and members also interact elsewhere within the hobby and even meet each other offline and at live shows.
Such moderating takes too much time and too many resources for a hobby/collector forum. Moderating political discussion is a heavy distraction from the real purpose of the forum.
And worst of all is having to moderate individual members who are on this site for their hobby interests, and who would not be in a moderating situation at all were it not for the political discussion.



So …
We are going to try to have our cake and eat it too, here on Blab. Keep the political discussion for those who want to engage, while minimizing the moderating burden and the effect on the rest of the site.


Political and current events threads will now go to this
new (linked) sub-forum under General Off-Topic (http://www.modelhorseblab.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?332-Politics-amp-Current-Events-See-Sticky-Post).

Although Blab rules are in effect, in the political/current-events sub-forum mods will act only if a post is reported. Moderators will NOT try to keep up with the threads and posting.




Members who object to a rules-violation post should use the ‘Post Report’ button in the lower frame of each post (the triangle, mouse-over to see the description) to let the mods know.
Mods may report some posts themselves IF they are reading a thread, but there is NO commitment to review posting. Mods may not be reading the sub-forum at all.
Members who participate in the sub-forum but are unable to follow Blab rules in that sub-forum will be blocked from that sub-forum. So long as they don’t have problems elsewhere in the forum, they will retain their standard access to the rest of Blab.
Members who mods suspect of using the post reporting in a tit-for-tat fashion will be blocked from that sub-forum.
There will be no extended attempts to gain compliance from individual members. Arguing or defying the mods, and failing to follow mod direction, will lead to being blocked from that sub-forum.



Bottom line for this decision …
Political discussion is not the primary purpose of Blab; it is a side benefit for the members who come to Blab for the hobbyist/collector content, and are also interested in off-topic discussion. Moderating politics and current events should not become burdensome and awkward for the mods. We would like to avoid having an individual member’s problems in such discussions affect their participation in the hobby/collector areas. So, this compromise should enable Blab to function more smoothly in these interesting times.


Summary …
Blab is first and foremost a hobby and collector site, allowing people to enjoy their model horses with a little time away from the stress of “the real world”. As a community, let’s continue to allow the political discussion in a barely-moderated fashion in its own sub-forum, while putting the resources and energy of the forum behind the hobby and collector activities.


We need a NAME for this new forum … Suggestions?

Once we have some name suggestions we’ll probably have a poll for the name. Sounds ironically appropriate to vote on it … :lol

My ideas for a name:

Forum for Civil, Reasoned Discussion of Current Events and Politics
Mosh Pit


That’s all I got, re name ideas. How about you? :toothy



Hope everyone understands!
Thanks for being the wonderful Blabbers that you are!
:woohoo :party :party :party :woohoo

juliacodeman
11-15-2016, 07:16 PM
Ha! I love the mosh pit name! That's really funny. Thanks for doing this, I agree while it's been really nice to be able to discuss politics and see representations from all over the world, its of course not something that is related to the hobby that brings us all together. While I think the mosh pit name is funny I don't know if people would be able to find the forum if that were its name so I like the first one, civil reasoned discussion sounds great!

tinnggg
11-16-2016, 06:52 AM
I was thinking cage fight myself. 8}

ElreniaGreenleaf
11-16-2016, 07:27 AM
I think it's great that we can all talk politics without it descending into madness - so many forums ban discussion of current affairs automatically so it's really nice to see that Blab is different, and while the current topic has got heated at times it's never gone too far!

I like the mosh pit too, but I'm not sure. I feel like there ought to be a pun involved...

damaia
11-16-2016, 02:05 PM
PPOD

Partisan Pit of Death

btook
11-16-2016, 03:32 PM
PPOD!!! That's great!!! :D

BuckR.
11-16-2016, 03:51 PM
Love it! I was thinking the Politics Pit of Death when I saw PPOD! :lol

Mary
11-16-2016, 10:58 PM
Y'all are funny! :grintongue :roflmao

So we have so far ...

Mosh Pit got a couple of thumbs up, with reservations as to if anyone would know what that meant :grin

Cage Fight (tinnnnnnnnggggg :duel )

PPOD :lmao :laffwith the first P being "Partisan" (damaia) or "Politics" (BuckR.)


Well you know, political correctness is now dead, right? So it doesn't matter if the name is a little extreme ... ???
:hubba :uh :lol

More ideas out there?



Yeah ElreniaGreenleaf, I'm a member on another topic forum that has had a barely-moderated off-topic political forum for a couple of years now. They gave up and shut it down about two weeks before the election. Too much burning at the stake, maybe?

Gilder
11-17-2016, 08:17 AM
Yeah ElreniaGreenleaf, I'm a member on another topic forum that has had a barely-moderated off-topic political forum for a couple of years now. They gave up and shut it down about two weeks before the election. Too much burning at the stake, maybe?

I think the term is scorched earth. ;)

Desmodus
11-17-2016, 03:48 PM
To keep it equestrian themed call the politics forum The Muck Bucket.

Mary
11-19-2016, 07:15 PM
Thanks for the many great suggestions - dunno if we would have used them, but I loved them !!! :lol :lmao


Unfortunately, it is now sadly apparent that Blab joins other web forums that have recently had to close down off-topic political discussion. There is just too much emotion - understandably - to be able to moderate and maintain a civil discussion, here on Blab. We did try. It's not going to work.

There is too much that's toxic, and there is no upside for Blab.

So, very sadly and reluctantly, for the foreseeable future we will have to forego political discussion on Blab. The politics forum can still be read. But with no new posting.

Other off-topic subjects are just fine and there will be plenty of that to keep us interested.

I won't say that political discussion will not be opened up again sometime, but can't anticipate when that might be.

Fortunately there are many other places on the web where political discussion can be conducted.

So that's where it is ... now, back to the real subject, model horses! :rays :woohoo

ElreniaGreenleaf
11-19-2016, 07:24 PM
I'm really disappointed by this - I think on the whole everybody was respectful and it seems a real shame to shut it down just because a couple of people got things a bit heated. :(

Mary
11-19-2016, 07:31 PM
I'm really disappointed by this - I think on the whole everybody was respectful and it seems a real shame to shut it down just because a couple of people got things a bit heated. :(

But ... who is going to moderate that discussion?

I cannot. No other mods can do it, either.

It is too time-consuming, too draining, too much resistance to hearing from a moderator, too much tit-for-tat.

Walk in the mods shoes, see what posts you think need moderating, and think what you would do, in that position.

Feel free to pm me if you wanted some more clarification, I don't want to drag dirty laundry through the public board.

:)

tinnggg
11-19-2016, 08:39 PM
And...mods have opinions too I would imagine.

Mary
11-19-2016, 08:43 PM
And...mods have opinions too I would imagine.

For myself ... I realized that could not come here, any more. Such as those opinions ever were - not much to add to anyone, really. Not even the 'neutral' conversation-starters I was trying to contribute. Also, I have now retreated into daily life. :lol :hide And I want to enjoy Blab and enjoy the hobby. :toothy

ElreniaGreenleaf
11-19-2016, 10:41 PM
Fair enough, it's just a shame when that particular thread had managed to last so long!

Mary
11-19-2016, 11:57 PM
Fair enough, it's just a shame when that particular thread had managed to last so long!

Agreed!

Duke
11-20-2016, 02:28 AM
I'm thankful that the thread is closed, although I enjoyed it for awhile. But it did get stressful with all the back-and-forth, especially with the election now over. I love Blab since it's a nice escape from the daily grind, talking with other Blabbers about our favorite subject-model horses!:grouphug

Miss Susan
11-21-2016, 03:53 PM
I am happy that it is closed. Thank you, Mary. I want a forum where people come together.

Brenda
11-21-2016, 04:05 PM
I'm glad, too, you decided to close it. It was getting pretty heated. I don't care about politics so I mainly stayed out of it, but a couple of times felt compelled to say something.

Beethovens7th
11-21-2016, 04:41 PM
1st off let me say i love all you guys even with opposing views! :grouphug And, for the record, i did not engage in any tit-for-tat if by this you mean reporting people; i didn't ever report anyone as it never occurred to me to shut anyone down. Also, :agreed i agree with Brenda, Miss Susan, and Duke that i am glad it is closed because quite frankly, i think it brought out the worst in me! :uh :yes Thank you, Mary, for putting up with our fussing as long as you have! :hugg

JRT Mom
11-21-2016, 07:21 PM
I'm glad it's closed, as well. No one was really going to change their minds and I think it was feeding fears and keeping things "fired up", so to speak, for those who are fearful.

Time to relax, enjoy the holidays, enjoy being fortunate enough to live in this country and be thankful for all the blessings that are around us.

Enjoy Thanksgiving to all my fellow collectors and AMERICANS.....that's what we are!

juliacodeman
11-21-2016, 09:11 PM
:roastturkey:turkey:turkeyhat:smallhornRAmen sisters! Happy Turkey Week!

FireFrost
11-21-2016, 09:22 PM
I think this excerpt from Black Beauty speaks volumes about our current political climate
"My boy, I hope you will always defend your sister, and give anybody who insults her a good thrashing—that is as it should be; but mind, I won't have any election blackguarding on my premises. There are as many 'blue' blackguards as there are 'orange', and as many white as there are purple, or any other color, and I won't have any of my family mixed up with it. Even women and children are ready to quarrel for the sake of a color, and not one in ten of them knows what it is about."
"Why, father, I thought blue was for Liberty."
"My boy, Liberty does not come from colors, they only show party, and all the liberty you can get out of them is, liberty to get drunk at other people's expense, liberty to ride to the poll in a dirty old cab, liberty to abuse any one that does not wear your color, and to shout yourself hoarse at what you only half-understand—that's your liberty!"
"Oh, father, you are laughing."
"No, Harry, I am serious, and I am ashamed to see how men go on who ought to know better. An election is a very serious thing; at least it ought to be, and every man ought to vote according to his conscience, and let his neighbor do the same."

Black Beauty by Ann Sewell part III chapter 42 The Election

Duke
11-22-2016, 01:19 AM
Wow-so true! And 100+ years later here we are.....so prophetic!