How old is vintage?

[eofelis]

Is there any consensus on how old a model has to be to be considered a vintage? 10, 15 years? ????

[ravensgate]

Well, what are you talking about, OF or CM???

[eofelis]

Well, what are you talking about, OF or CM???

Customs. :)

[ravensgate]

Well, I'm working on restoring a vintage piece right now, and he's a '92 I think. I would call him vintage just based on his style. So, there's my unintelligent answer:lol I'd say 15 years or more would be vintage, but I don't show or anything so not sure what the showers/judges would say.

[Dr. Bork Bork]

I believe the showing standard for vintage is 10 years or more. So a CM completed in 1997 would be considered newly vintaged this year.
Glad to see you back, Captain Eo! :hugg

[nekomi]

I'm with Bork Bork - I've seen the accepted standard be 10 years or older. :)

[lonesome_glory_2007]

At the shows that had Vintage CMs in the MO area, it was 10 years.

[sillychooknut]

10 for showing purposes but I consider it anything prior to 95 typically because after 95 alot of techniques changed, and they have a different feel.

[tielz]

10 for showing purposes but I consider it anything prior to 95 typically because after 95 alot of techniques changed, and they have a different feel.


Can you explain the changes?

I collect mostly vintage. When I look for vintage, I look for mostly pre-Reeves or right at the time switch (late 80's). :)

[sillychooknut]

80's and prior were painted generally with acrylics, with some texture to them, seams were not generally removed, nor were makers marks. These horses were rarely sealed with any sort of protective finish. In the mid 90's the airbrush started to take over, paint jobs became more about the shading & flash than appearing real in photos, but the paint jobs were much smoother. Late 90's other media started coming into play more and more, and we started to see pencils, and stuff peeking in. Now in the past 5 years we have seen pastels really take hold, and the realism I think is coming back.

Obviously not ever horse created in those time frames follow those very generalized rules, but it is my overview of the styles of the times based on pieces I have owned or judged.

[Shady Creek Farm]

That's what I was thinking as far as customs go. What do you guys think would be considered vintage when it comes to Original Finish these days though?

[petra]

80's and prior were painted generally with acrylics, with some texture to them, seams were not generally removed, nor were makers marks. These horses were rarely sealed with any sort of protective finish. In the mid 90's the airbrush started to take over, paint jobs became more about the shading & flash than appearing real in photos, but the paint jobs were much smoother. Late 90's other media started coming into play more and more, and we started to see pencils, and stuff peeking in. Now in the past 5 years we have seen pastels really take hold, and the realism I think is coming back.

Obviously not ever horse created in those time frames follow those very generalized rules, but it is my overview of the styles of the times based on pieces I have owned or judged.

It seems that prior 95 there were a few customizers who sold a lot of horses worked that way.. And that later vanished from the hobby. Like Kathleen Timmerman, Barbara Johnes and a few others who had a very similar style and dominated the market and the show arena.

When I remember... at that time those models here in Germany were THE big thing :-))
And barely 10 years later they are sub standard...

[xxcloverleaffarmxx]

my only 'vintage' horse is a very old resin by Sarah MB, done in 1995. she looks very new though, and I sometimes have to let the judges pick her up because shes a 'Sugar and Spice" resin, which was the mold Breyer took their new blank customizing body from. You know, that "Create a Dream Horse" classic body that has no mane and tail.

I had another shower think I was just trying to win the vintage CM/Resin classes AND the regular resin classes. So I had her and the judge lift the horse to feel the weight and look at her signature. Seriously, why would someone lie about that?

[mariannas]

I had another shower think I was just trying to win the vintage CM/Resin classes AND the regular resin classes. So I had her and the judge lift the horse to feel the weight and look at her signature. Seriously, why would someone lie about that?

Huh. I didn't know that you could only show in one or the other (vintage or open). I swear I've seen horses entered in both around here, but maybe I'm imagining things.

[xxcloverleaffarmxx]

No, we can too at some shows (some make us a pick a division). But she thought I was taking the Breyer "Build your Dream Horse" one and saying it was a vintage. She didnt know the Sugar and Spice resin was a base for the mold.

[Janice]

I tend to think 10 years isn't long enough to call something 'vintage', but if that's what is the accepted thing, then that's that! ;) I'd prefer to see vintage as being at least 20 years, or even 30+...within the first 20 years of Breyer's production... something 'really old' that's been well looked after. :) It's not so hard to have a 10 yr old model in good cond.