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Erin
12-31-2008, 04:13 PM
So I was thinking. I know there was somebody (maybe a couple people?) in Blab's history that abused the "edit posts" function and caused the institution of the "few minutes only" edit rule. But that was a while ago... Do you think maybe us users could be trusted with it again? Trial basis?

Here's why I would love to be able to edit old posts:

1) In threads like show announcements, I would love to be able to edit my first original post, so that I don't keep posting on my own thread with updates - I could just update that first post! Less scrolling, too.

2) It drives me BATTY to have spelling/grammar mistakes still staring me in the face from my posts from days past (...or big giant broken image links...), and I would love to be able to fix them without bothering a mod. Yeah, I know the first solution to this would be to proof my own posts more carefully before I submit, but I'm only human - I miss stuff!

Anyway, that's all I've got. I do like the "you have to stand by your words forever so write carefully" aspect of not being able to edit after a few minutes, but I would like to think that the current 'membership at large' would still post much the same if we could edit. Maybe if somebody abuses it, their preferences could be changed so they lose the privilege, but not everybody?

Thoughts? Immediate shut-down if this isn't at all possible? I searched for semi-recent threads about this, but didn't find anything.

Happy new year! :noisemaker

ravensgate
12-31-2008, 04:15 PM
I've been here since 2004 and there's NEVER been unlimited edit time. It's always been 5 minutes. I really don't think it should be unlimited at all. Too much abuse with that feature (I see it on other boards all the time). Maybe more than 5 minutes but definitely not unlimited.

Erin
12-31-2008, 04:16 PM
Really? I must be thinking of the other boards I'm on - not model horse related, but they all have unlimited edit time. It's nice! My mistake though if it's never been that way on blab.

ravensgate
12-31-2008, 04:19 PM
Really? I must be thinking of the other boards I'm on - not model horse related, but they all have unlimited edit time. It's nice! My mistake though if it's never been that way on blab.

Could have been before my time:lol On Blab that is.

Erin
12-31-2008, 04:20 PM
Well I only joined seven months before you, so I doubt it! :lol

SeaWatch
12-31-2008, 04:25 PM
I've been here since 2004 and there's NEVER been unlimited edit time. It's always been 5 minutes. I really don't think it should be unlimited at all. Too much abuse with that feature (I see it on other boards all the time). Maybe more than 5 minutes but definitely not unlimited.

:agreed

I wouldn't want the edit time to be unlimited, either. That means folks could go back, and change the whole tone of a post, weeks (or months) later. Which in turn, could affect the relevancy of the posts that follow it!

I think five minutes is a good amount of time. That gives the poster plenty of time to re-read what they wrote, and correct any errors. :yes

thebillybo
12-31-2008, 04:36 PM
If I remember right there WAS unlimited edit time. It was greatly abused by someone... I would have to do some searching to find that thread that I'm thinking of. It was like Seawatch said though, the person, a younger member if I remember right, posted some inflammatory post and then went back and changed the post to something completely innocent. The person has since been banned... but I can see the same issues arising again pretty easily.

I would like a little longer edit window, 10 or 15 minutes would be lovely. I'm on fairly slow dialup and if it burps then I miss my 5 minute edit window entirely. But that is just my personal preference cuz I'm technologically behind the times. :grin

kidwitch
12-31-2008, 04:39 PM
We used to have unlimited edit time! I'd prefer 10-15 minutes for edit time myself, actually.

whitetail ridge
12-31-2008, 04:48 PM
I don't see a problem with a limit on edit time. I would not want to see it be unlimited.

bronzino
12-31-2008, 05:24 PM
If I remember right there WAS unlimited edit time. It was greatly abused by someone... I would have to do some searching to find that thread that I'm thinking of. It was like Seawatch said though, the person, a younger member if I remember right, posted some inflammatory post and then went back and changed the post to something completely innocent. The person has since been banned... but I can see the same issues arising again pretty easily.

That's true. And it was like three different people who did it, two of them adults. Annoyed the hell out of the other members because half those messages were quoted, and it was confusing to have an apparently original message that said one thing, and quoted versions that said something else. I learned to just trust my instincts on what I had read, rather than relying on any given piece of text. :grin

But candidly speaking, I share Erin's concerns on this, personally. I hate seeing typos into perpetuity. I hate having to make multiple posts to update info, when the first post is where people naturally look. I think it's weird that the 99.9% of responsible and courteous people we have on here have to live with a rule because of infrequent abuse.

However, the last time I believe this was discussed, the groupthink (members and mods alike) was that we shouldn't return to unlimited edit time. And I respect that, so I'm content to live with things as is. :)

Kristi Hale
12-31-2008, 05:55 PM
I don't see a problem with a limit on edit time. I would not want to see it be unlimited.
:yeahthat I remember the days of unlimited edit time... not a good plan in the end.

1976_michelle
01-01-2009, 03:57 AM
not good plan at all. However something more than 5 minutes should be quite doable. And for those holding shows and such you could probably approach a Mod to edit an update for you in your original thread.

Shinypony
01-01-2009, 04:25 PM
I think five minutes is a good amount of time. That gives the poster plenty of time to re-read what they wrote, and correct any errors. :yes[/COLOR][/B]


Perhaps on broadband, but on dial-up, 5 minutes is cutting it fine! Especially if you need to make any sizeable edit or your connection burps, as mentioned. I've often been cut out from editing a post because the time limit is just awfully short for slow dial-up. I'd rather see a larger window for edit time, say 15-20 minutes.

But I don't think unlimited editing is a good idea for the Blab forum.

As for typos, I too hate to see them sitting there in perpetuity, but that's why it's a good idea to really do your best to screen posts and think about them before hitting submit. I suppose a moderator might be willing to change a typo, but I personally would hate to bother them for that purpose unless it truly mattered to the context of the post.

Cynthia

Sweet Defense
01-02-2009, 12:08 AM
Yes, for those of us on dial-up, 5 minutes is awfully short. I find myself typing like a maniac, hoping to get it all in before the edit time is up. Forget putting a reason for editing, I'm just happy to get everything in there. Don't want unlimited, though, think it would get abused.

Laura G
01-02-2009, 12:13 AM
:agreed
It shouldn't be unlimited.
But 15-20 minutes would be great! :) ;) :grin

DraytonWoods
01-02-2009, 03:54 PM
It would rock to see, like ten minutes. Five is rough for me, too.

muggyscugglemeyer
01-02-2009, 03:57 PM
I'm on dial-up, but I don't mind the 5-minute edit time. For me, it's like a race. Oh, I am so, so lame...

Mary
01-03-2009, 01:17 PM
I can see 10 minutes max. Personally I think 5 minutes is better, and here's why ...

Most people will read the first post once and never go back to it - so they miss your changes.

Edits even within the first 10 minutes may not be seen by those who already read the post.
After the last upgrade I exercised my admin powers and continually updated the first post as to the status of corrections and fixes, so people wouldn't have to hunt for the info. It seemed NO ONE read the updates !! There were endless new posts of old errors that had been updated as "fixed" in the first post for hours.


People don't know when the last update was made, and they don't want to check posts already read over and over to see if they changed.

Replies made before the last edit may no longer make sense. The continuity of the thread is disrupted.

Forums are intended to be an ongoing conversation, not a one-source webpage. For the reasons above the logic of forums doesn't mesh well with ongoing edits to previously posted material.

A one-source page of all the latest information is best presented as a separate web page, and the post can have a link to "all the latest information."

Things to think about ...

Mary
01-03-2009, 01:24 PM
Added a poll for a 10 minute edit window. Longer than that is not a good idea I think, just because early readers will miss the changes.

dotnj
01-03-2009, 01:28 PM
:hello Dial-up here, I'd love 10-15 minute edit time. I can't tell you how many times I got caught by the 5 minute edit. I don't post that much, but I do make a lot of mistakes.:lol

See? V

Swale
01-03-2009, 01:58 PM
I voted for the ten-minute window.

Robin
01-03-2009, 02:59 PM
I also voted for the 10 minute window. While I completely agree that unlimited is just too long, for those with slower connections (or a work connection that's as "high speed" as mine!), 10 minutes would make life a lot easier, especially with threads that have lots of pictures and take time to load--because you have to wait to *see* your response to know that it's got errors in it.

timberwolf
01-03-2009, 04:25 PM
I voted for keeping it as is. I will admit that sometimes my pc goes so slow (even on Broadband) that I miss the edit feature but this only happens on the odd occasion.

Mary
01-03-2009, 10:04 PM
I wonder if people are using the post preview button before posting? (below the post composition box the button "go advanced") Theoretically at least it isn't necessary to edit after posting. One can preview, edit, preview, edit indefinitely before posting.

delacroix3721
01-03-2009, 10:10 PM
i've used it before, and i always use it before i send a private message... it's pretty convenient! :)

champlain
01-03-2009, 10:12 PM
I wonder if people are using the post preview button before posting? (below the post composition box the button "go advanced") Theoretically at least it isn't necessary to edit after posting. One can preview, edit, preview, edit indefinitely before posting.

I use it 99.9% of the time. I would be lost without this option. :)

Yoda
01-03-2009, 10:53 PM
I use it 99.9% of the time. I would be lost without this option. :)

Me too. And sometimes I think wow I sound like a bitch and just delete it.

See, Mary. Imagine how bad I could be without preview. Banned for sure.:evilwoo

Sweet Defense
01-03-2009, 11:26 PM
I voted for 10 minutes. My edits are nearly always immediate, but if the post is in a picture-heavy thread, it can take a few minutes for it to show up to where I can edit it. Then it can take a little while for it to accept the edit especially if the computer is busy elsewhere, like automatically downloading emails or opening something like Huffington Post. I've run out of edit time before even if I grabbed the post within 1 minute of posting. I don't edit all that often, usually it's to add something a piece of information or address part of a question I forgot.

I do sometimes use the preview post, but not if I'm in a hurry - again, very slow if it's a picture heavy thread.

timberwolf
01-04-2009, 12:11 PM
I tend to use the preview more if I am uploading photos. It's a great feature.

Shinypony
01-04-2009, 02:18 PM
I wonder if people are using the post preview button before posting? (below the post composition box the button "go advanced") Theoretically at least it isn't necessary to edit after posting. One can preview, edit, preview, edit indefinitely before posting.


I use it *most* of the time... and stuff still escapes me, LOL!

I voted for 10 minutes... as someone said, if a thread is picture heavy, it can take a while to load for editing if you notice something amiss. My usual edits are not necessarily to change typos either, usually I forgot something and I'm adding content if anything.

I think it's just that my brain is slow to react sometimes, I think I've got a post right, then hit submit and whoops, realize I need to edit. And it *is* a race on slow dial-up, one that I don't always win.

Cynthia

flutterby
01-04-2009, 05:20 PM
Sorry all. I voted stay the same. If I'm gonna screw up what I post I won't catch it until my window of opportunity is shut.

Mary
01-04-2009, 05:24 PM
Me too. And sometimes I think wow I sound like a bitch and just delete it.

See, Mary. Imagine how bad I could be without preview. Banned for sure.:evilwooWhy Yoda, you are living up to the wisdom of your screen-namesake. Instead of being banned you are a shining example of how we can all benefit from the preview window -- me included! (I delete a few without hitting 'post' as well.) :lol :evilwoo

Beth B
01-04-2009, 10:02 PM
It could easily be ten minutes that way, the person has enough time to edit their post if they need to edit it.

Ten minutes is good by me.

Beth

bronzino
01-05-2009, 01:31 AM
I voted for ten. The preview window is not an exact replica of how the post will look, because it displays across 100% of the screen. Posts only occupy 75%. I try to place my paragraph breaks so that the text looks approachable, especially in long posts with instructions. If the preview is 25% wider, the paragraphs look 25% longer in the actual post. So I tend to do a lot of fiddling after.

Morgen
01-05-2009, 11:59 AM
I remember the post deletions & how miserable that was. But even 5 minutes would let someone post something ... well... outrageous.. and then turn around and delete it when several other people jumped down their throats. When some spammer got through by mistake I happened to spy it too & was amazed that about 10 people responded to the pornography within those first minutes. Sooooo something truly shocking? Yeah, a person could still retract it if they wanted when they saw outraged responses flying in...

I voted for the 10min window myself because of how I tend to think. Just a minute after I post something I tend to not spot the errors I make... give me a few to pause and reread and I'm all like "DUH!" (duh that made no sense kinda duh).. lol!

sassymiss
01-05-2009, 12:04 PM
I voted to keep it the same (5 minutes) because that is usually enough time for me. But I can understand how sometimes you need more time and would be OK with 10 or 15 mintues. 15 seems really long though as a lot of posts get read right away, as someone else mentioned!

Laura G
01-05-2009, 12:20 PM
I voted for 10.
That seems fair to me. :thumbsup

Erin
01-05-2009, 12:37 PM
After marinating over it for a while, I still want unlimited - but I'm OK with being the minority on that! ;) A time lengthened to ten minutes is what I voted for.

Thanks everybody for taking the time to think about it and reply, and to management for giving an option to vote for a longer window!

SeaWatch
01-05-2009, 08:52 PM
I voted for 5 minutes, as I still think that is sufficient time. Folks should be proofreading their posts BEFORE they hit the 'submit' button. And, if after that, they still notice something misspelled, or 'off', then I think 5 minutes is enough time to edit what you need to.

I'm not totally against it changing to 10 minutes, but I definitely feel that unlimited time would NOT be a good thing. As I mentioned, previously, leaving the edit time open indefinitely just leaves these forums open to all kinds of editing, after many other posts have been made....making some of those following posts irrelevant, in some cases.

4ever_Unbridled
01-05-2009, 08:56 PM
It wouldn't matter to me if we had 5 or 10 minutes of edit time because I rarely ever use it and when I do it usually is just for something small so 5 minutes is plenty of time. And it is all because of the preview button:grin. If we didn't have a preview then yeah I would want a longer edit time but if the preview button is used then most if not all mistakes should be caught if looked over and if a mistake does slip past you then it wouldn't take longer than 5 min. to correct. I admit I do have broadband but I used to have dial-up and I still think that 5 minutes should be long enough. Sorry, but 10 min. just seems a tad bit long just for editing even if you're on dial-up. I think that using the preview button should be enough even though it doesn't show your reply exactly as it will come up when it's posted- but maybe that can be changed so that it does. I think that would be even better. JMO :)

thebillybo
01-05-2009, 09:00 PM
I voted for 10... Often I just barely run out of edit time... 7 minutes would work for me. :grin But 10 is a nice round number. I don't use the dit feature often, I do re-read posts that I post but sometimes I have a brainfart and think "oh crap!"... need to fix that!

My computer is slow and on dialup to boot. If the internet doesn't slow me down then the computer itself, grinding away, does.

Yoda
01-05-2009, 09:06 PM
Why Yoda, you are living up to the wisdom of your screen-namesake. Instead of being banned you are a shining example of how we can all benefit from the preview window -- me included! (I delete a few without hitting 'post' as well.) :lol :evilwoo

*Yoda pulls the wool over Mary's eyes* - Have you forgotten bondage barbie so soon?:evilwoo

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q158/almostparadisefarms/a9d8scd.jpg

bronzino
01-05-2009, 11:28 PM
Sooooo something truly shocking? Yeah, a person could still retract it if they wanted when they saw outraged responses flying in...

Good points in your post, Morgen. It's almost making me reconsider.

I am surprised so many people are still on dial-up. I thought I was like the last one (switched over a couple weeks ago). I was on 33k, and surprisingly, it was tolerable for everything but gaming and uploading.

Mary
01-06-2009, 12:25 AM
Thanks everybody for taking the time to think about it and reply, and to management for giving an option to vote for a longer window!You are very welcome!

Can't give you unlimited time, but another 5 minutes is something. I'm hunting through Blab's dials and switches to make the edit window 10 minutes - oh there it is - minutes added! That should help the dial-up folks and those with second/third/fourth thoughts after hitting post. :one :egyptian :writing :2spy



I think that using the preview button should be enough even though it doesn't show your reply exactly as it will come up when it's posted- but maybe that can be changed so that it does. I think that would be even better. JMOTechnically such a modification could be made. But it would require hacking our software provider vBulletin's code, and that makes them :grump. Then if I ask them for help about anything all I get is :taz and :nono -- all they will talk about is putting their code back the way it was. Charms of dealing with a software developer. Just to let ya know. :grin



*Yoda pulls the wool over Mary's eyes* - Have you forgotten bondage barbie so soon?:evilwooSilly Yoda. :grin Once someone you want to forget about something has forgotten it, what ya wanna do is not remind them again. :lol :egyptian

Yoda
01-06-2009, 05:36 AM
Silly Yoda. :grin Once someone you want to forget about something has forgotten it, what ya wanna do is not remind them again. :lol :egyptian

But that was one of my most memorable pictures. I got several comments from members who adored it and I got the funniest reprimand from a mod I have ever gotten. She thought bondage barbie was hysterical but just a tad too risque for the children. It's is fun to be bad. :evilwoo

Cwallbruch
01-10-2009, 09:36 AM
Could you have unlimited for everyone, but then alter it so that people who were using it in a reactionary state of horror when they read what they posted before their meds kicked in don't get to edit anymore? Like on a 'lose it if you abuse it' sort of basis.